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The Lounge - Newbies Welcome
« on: March 24, 2009, 06:56:37 AM »

Welcome to the Lounge - Your introduction to the world of MZP.

This area is exactly what it sounds like, your area to mingle and ask questions without worrying too much about what's happening around you.

Is something about script format confusing you? Do you have any show specific questions that aren't related to the shows content? Need show recommendations? Feeling overwhelmed by the amount of shows? Not sure where to leave your thoughts? Want to mingle with other new chaps?

Here is where you can ask all "newbie" type questions from the Lounge's Host's and Hostesses (at the moment, just me).

Don't be afraid to ask. It's what I'm here for.

The lounge area is a strictly "no sarcasm" zone.

Think of this place as a chillout lounge with Cafe Del Mar soundtracks playing softly in the background as you lounge on giant, pillow sofas in shades of purple, pink and orange. See the scene? If it helps, imagine some guy with dreadlocks smoking pot in the corner and waving at you in time to the slow beat of a bongo drum.

Warning: it is highly recommended that you ask all "beginner" type questions here. Members that have been on the board for a while don't always react well to seeing questions that they consider self-explanatory. When in doubt, ask here first. If I notice flames in this thread, then I will politely ask you to move it into PM, or if that doesn't help, the big daddies will get involved.

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Enjoy your stay!
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Re: The Lounge
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2009, 05:16:08 PM »
You'll notice as you start perusing the board, that up to 90% of the content here is in script format, and can be viewed in either PDF or HTML.

What is script format?
Regardless of what fanfiction.net may have told you, script format, as we use it here, is not chatroom transcript, prose with indented dialogue, songfics or 10-page stories with nothing but speech.

All of the television shows, comic books and movies that you love start their life as a script.

While it may seem intimidating at first, the more scripts you read, the easier it will become.

Jargon aside, you just need to know a few basics to get started.

Scene headings consists of three parts: location of camera, physical location and time of day.

For example, INT. CAVE - NIGHT, EXT. MOUNTAIN - DAY

Description makes up what you SEE and HEAR on the screen.

For example, The demon leaps onto the computer screen and laughs at the shrieking writer.

Dialogue is made up of the character name and what they say.

FRED
What are we going to do tonight Brian?

BRIAN
Same thing we do every night Fred. Waste our consumer-driven lives with the latest release from Xbox.

Whenever you are in doubt, there are plenty of online resourses and books that will give you answers. The easiest way to learn of course, it to read read read.

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Re: The Lounge
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2009, 05:35:49 PM »
What is the purpose of pitches at MZP?
The purpose of an MZP pitch is to find the next show that gets MZP's quality stamp of approval and resource backing. Unlike other fiction boards you may be familiar with, these pitches are nothing like "Plot Bunny threads" where people post story ideas to see how popular they'll be, but are actually used to guage the quality of writing, commitment and planning the posting writer has put into the "potential series" as a whole. Bearing in mind that a series can last multiple seasons with each season needing 13-22 fifty-sixty page episodes per year. Not a commitment to take lightly.

To explain this further, we need to look at the types of shows you'll find at MZP. Breaking them down into their bare bones, and in laymen's terms, we have three types of shows.

MZP shows
These shows go through a stringent approval process. They get full backing of the board, including the opportunity to request "staff" and backstage development boards, and some (depending on what the show needs) also gets episode hosting and graphics on MZP's full website. There are even shows that "crossover" because of the interaction between MZP teams.

Affiliate Shows
These shows are generally written without going through the approval process. The writer usually writes solo and does many of the graphics/hosting themselves. They become affiliates because they have still managed to achieve the prerequisite "quality" criteria and they are a community member in good standing, which means that MZP will showcase them in a similar way to the official MZP shows.

Linked Shows
These shows are linked to from the "Linkage" section, but there is no obligation or commitment from MZP to host, staff or aid the show or their writers.

So that is why we pitch. Next up is "When" to pitch.

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Re: The Lounge
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2009, 06:21:27 PM »
When can I pitch a show?
As you can see from the pitch rules, there are important prerequisites that need to be adhered to.

A couple of the most important being:

Follow the pitch rules
The pitch rules were put into place after a lot of trial and error - and triumphs and failures - with shows and their writers. They are in place, not only to give readers the added assurance that they will be reading virtual entertainment that the writers have put in their best possible effort into, but also to protect the writers themselves. If a writer is given an MZP show slot, they must be prepared to put in a lot of work, be able to handle criticism in a mature way and work well with other members on the board. Make sure you understand exactly what is needed from you. Look at the other pitches. The ones that failed. The ones that made it. You should be able to work out from these what the admins expect and what they won't accept.

Community Spirit
Community Spirit is not simply a matter of post count. It is about putting as much into the board as you expect to get out. Simply pimping and spamming your own causes will likely cause irritation in members who spend hours every week trying to make writing deadlines along with their own real life commitments. We do this for fun, but we don't appreciate being seen as nothing more than the audience for loud billboards. Read a few shows and let them know what you think. If you are an expert in a certain skillset, why not share your knowledge? A graphics whizz, sign up to help out on some of the shows. Already know how to script-write, volunteer to join the staff of one of the shows you think you can write for. Be a positive presence.

If you can achieve these two criteria, then you are well on your way to figuring out exactly when you should start pitching.

A word to the wise: pitches might not be approved in a day or even a month or even three. Sometimes you will need to rework your pitches multiple times. You will encounter negative feedback and naysayers.

But... if you believe enough in your work, write the pilot. Don't wait. You are a writer. Writers write. It might not become an MZP show, but that shouldn't stop you.

And lastly, if you are still confused, ask questions.

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Re: The Lounge
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2009, 10:01:49 AM »
Why leave reader feedback?
Feedback is the lifeblood of any fiction board. It's a symbiotic relationship between readers and writers.

Writers write -> Readers read -> Readers let the writers know they aren't wasting their time -> Writers keep writing -> Readers have a greater choice of what to read.

Think of where Stephen King would be if no one bought his books. Joss Whedon if the WB cancelled Buffy in the first three episodes because no one was watching. Sarah Mclachlan if no one went to her concerts.

These are all forms of feedback. Fiction boards only ask that you take a moment to leave a note after you've reached that last page.

Usually, new readers are afraid to leave their mark as they fear they will come across as ignorant/stupid. The first thing to realise is that everyone has sounds a little blonde at one time or another. That's okay. Once you remember that, it becomes easier to let yourself be heard. And it helps by knowing what kind of feedback you can give.

Once again, in very simple terms, we have three types of feedback.

Constructive Criticism
Also known as "concrit" or "beta reading", this form of feedback often occurs before a piece of writing is released to a wider audience. Readers will try to objectively point out what did and what didn't work for them in a bid to help the writer improve their piece. Some beta readers will concentrate on plot, others on spelling and grammar, while some are all-rounders. It depends on the reader's strengths and the writer's needs. Generally a writer will ask for a beta reader, or accept a volunteer request from a reader. Keep an eye on the boards for any of these requests if you are interested in becoming a reader or need one.
Or join the Writing Clinic by sending a PM to me (*subject to approval)

Critical Review
A critical review is a subjective analysis of a piece of writing. The reader will list what they liked and didn't like about the piece, and will sometimes "grade"  it. You may find that what one reviewer gave an F, another reviewer will give an A. As a new writer, you must try not to take these opinions too much to heart, but should keep any relevant points in mind to improve upon future pieces. As a new reviewer, you must bear in mind that reviews are not platforms for scathing diatribes on character types or common plot points that you personally hate. Try to be fair.

General feedback
General feedback is the most informal of the three and probably the most popular for readers just starting out. Readers may give a brief commendation, post their favourite quotes or ask questions. The reader will generally interact with the writer on a more personal basis, in that they aren't trying to plan and frame their responses but giving a rundown of thoughts and feelings. New readers are again reminded not to "flame" the writer, that is, post scathing remarks at the writer that have very little to do with the actual writing but personal pet peeves. If you do have a pet peeve, try and explain it as objectively as possible.

An example of general feedback (yes, a very fangirl example):
Wow. I loved that episode. Poor Jack. I can't believe how much pain he was in. The acting was terrific from all involved. Mark is scaring me though. I don't know how the writers are going to get him off this dark road he's on. I wish he had more faith in his brother and started talking to him again. I'm not too fond of this divide that's growing between them, though. I hope it comes correct. Can't wait for the next episode!

As you can see, it's just a very random rundown of impressions, and even though it is brief, the writer should be able to see that his intention has been effective: people are coming back for more, they are wondering what's coming and they've actually noticed the direction the characters have gone in. The beauty of general feedback is that it can be as short or long as the reader chooses with as much detail as they would like to give.

If you are still afraid to bring yourself out of the shadows, then you may also PM the writer directly or take part in the WKRC initiative every Saturday where the object is to bounce thoughts off one another.
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Re: The Lounge
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2009, 05:54:08 AM »
Because we have a few new faces around here (people with post counts of 25 or less and who weren't active on the previous board), I thought it'd be nice to open the "Getting to know you" topic again. Only here, in Le Chill Out Zone.

So without further ado, a selection of nosey questions for you to choose from...

Welcome to MZP. :wave:

 How are you doing? How did you find us? What made you stick around? Where do you hail from? What do you think of the selection of shows on offer here? Any particular show here that you love? Is there anything you are dying to see that isn't here? Do you have any questions you want to ask a particular show-writer/board member, but we scare the heebies out of you? Favourites: music, TV, movies, books? Quirks? Pet peeves?

In other words, who the heck are you? :)
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Re: The Lounge - Newbies Welcome
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2009, 03:37:51 PM »
C'mon, new people, give us some skinny on your bad selves! Embrace the Lounge!

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Re: The Lounge - Newbies Welcome
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2009, 09:55:00 PM »
I guess I could start this off.

I'm Andrew and I used to live in New Jersey, but recently moved to Pennsylvania. I found this site through VBCtv where I have a show that will be premiering soon. I've looked over a couple of shows here and generally like them. I currently have a few ideas I'm working on, actually a lot of ideas I'm working on.
The rest for another time maybe.
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Re: The Lounge - Newbies Welcome
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2009, 10:03:57 AM »
It's been a while since we've had a rush of new members delurking, so bumpity bump.

How are you all doing?

Have you had a chance to look around the board yet? See anything you like? Do you have any interesting questions you feel like asking us?

Don't be afraid. Some of us do not bite. We just like to occasionally kill fictional characters. Nothing wrong with that, right?

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Re: The Lounge - Newbies Welcome
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2009, 06:23:15 AM »
Just a reminder to new members. We do have some board rules, which you can find here.

One of the bigger rules, and most definitely applies to spanking new members...

No spam
Please do not spam the board with self-promotion, links etc. This is often seen as a serious offense as MZP is not an advertising board - it is a community. You may receive a warning if you simply promote your own interests each time you post.

Spamming members is also a bannable offense.

You will find that admins and fellow members don't take too kindly to it. Rule of thumb: wait until you've made at least 25 posts in the community and the members know and like you before posting redirects.

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Re: The Lounge - Newbies Welcome
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2009, 02:21:45 PM »
I've been having a nosey around the boards, looking at pages I haven't viewed before and came across the Lounge where I thought I'd pull up a seat, order a Venti Americano with an extra shot of espresso and bore the resident host, Roonblah, with who the heck I am.

I'm actually feeling pretty good today, just coming off a course of antibiotics and getting ready to head to my second job, which sadly is at Mcdonalds.  I much prefer what I like to think as my real job as a teaching assistant which I'm returning to next week.  I teach English, RE and Performing Arts.  I found this board a couple of years ago when searching for a Buffy continuation, then I read Angel, then Faith and then Slayer Academy.  I thought these shows were fantastic and very true to the source material.  This plus the sheer number and variety of shows has kept me coming back on and off since my first arrival.

I hail from sunny Salford in Manchester in the UK.  I promise you that we don't all sound common as muck and go shopping in our pyjamas with our kids Beyonce and Mariah!  As previously mentioned it is partly in fact to the varied shows you host that I stick around as there's always something for me to read no matter what mood I'm in.

My favourite shows that I've read so far have got to be Faith and the pilot of Static.  Faith was brilliant with an amazing overall arc and was very true to the character.  When I read the pilot for Static I thought it was sublime and have no faults with it at all and thought it was brill news that I will finally get to read the continuation soon!  I've also read Daredevil season 1 and can't wait to get started on 2 and am gonna be reading the finale of Abyss when I get home tonight.

Favourites: Music is gonna sound so cliched but I'll listen to anything but I love my cheesy pop; I love my TV shows but Buffy will always hold a special place in my heart as it's the first show that I fell in love with but I'm currently obsessed with Glee; Film is a question I refuse to answer as there are far too many that I love and am passionate about but I love my weepies, horrors and musicals; I adore all of the Alex Cross Novels by James Patterson and am currently working my way through the Bones series by Kathy Reichs.  I love the Pendragon series (even though it's meant for teenage reading lol) but perhaps my favourite book series of all time are the Narnia books.  I get a boxset of them every year from my mum and the one she got my last year cost £120!!!!!

I'm just going to apologise now for my abuse of the exclamation mark and lol, both of which suffer greatly at my hand.  I think the only quirk I have is that I have to have my DVDs arranged in rating order and then in each rating alphabetically and the disc has to be the right was round, I hate it when it's on it's side!!

I get really irritated by people who can't use there/their/they're.  It just bugs me!  Oh and if someone texts me and I reply and then we start having a conversation and then they just stop texting I get really annoyed.  It grates against me so much.

Anyway now that I've bored you with my story and finished my drink I think I'm going to go introduce myself to the pot guy and then head off to work.  Ciao!

Goodbye to one of the most amazing shows ever created.

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Re: The Lounge - Newbies Welcome
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2009, 07:04:53 PM »
am gonna be reading the finale of Abyss when I get home tonight.

You'll have a job, as I haven't written it yet!  :D  We're on hiatus this week, but should have six or seven more episodes this season.

Be a pleasure to hear your thoughts on 1x06 regardless though.  thup






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Re: The Lounge - Newbies Welcome
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2009, 10:51:12 PM »
Oops, sorry I though 6 was the last one lol haha.  Silly me lol.  As a plus that's brilliant news!  Absolutely fantastic.  I read episodes 2, 3,4 and 5 yesterday and am about to settle down with 6.  I have fallen in love with this show and how it has a new kind of family, which is one of the things I loves about Buffy so much.  The sense of family are the people around you that care and support you.

OOOOO I'm excited now!

Goodbye to one of the most amazing shows ever created.

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Re: The Lounge - Newbies Welcome
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2009, 11:52:32 PM »
Thanks, that's rather heartening to know.  If you have time at any point, feel free to drop in any of your thoughts on those episodes in the sub-forum as I know the other writers would appreciate your feedback too.  :beer:





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Re: The Lounge - Newbies Welcome
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2010, 03:03:21 AM »
I wished I would have joined a couple years ago becaust it seems that most of you get along quite well and know each other very well.  I think I even saw some pics of when you got together one time...that's awesome!  I have to be honest, I wish that I was 3 or 4 seasons into a series of my own and people were just begging to be on the staff...Looking over the site and it's regulations and stuff...I don't think I'm ever going to arrive at that....BUT...IT is an awesome site and good job to the developer. 

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Re: The Lounge - Newbies Welcome
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2010, 03:26:40 AM »
Hey now. Don't talk like that -- I've been here a little over two years, I pitched a show that didn't get completely eviscerated by people who frankly are lots better at writing than me and could have torn it apart if they did. This is a pretty cool place and everyone is really nice. If you work at it, you'll get there. You'll get your show everyone loves.

Also, this is one of the best places on the Internet. No one here is a dickhole.

And yeah, the East-of-the-Atlantic got their get together, now the West-of-the-Mississippi are getting theirs. Eventually us East Coasters will get ours, probably.

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Re: The Lounge - Newbies Welcome
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2010, 03:45:26 AM »
A dickhole? Maybe I had a sheltered childhood but I've never heard that term before.

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Re: The Lounge - Newbies Welcome
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2010, 03:50:50 AM »
I really like it. It's fun to say out loud. I heard it on the Penny Arcade Dungeons and Dragons podcast like six months ago.

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Re: The Lounge - Newbies Welcome
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2010, 09:50:50 PM »
hey guys whats up im peter so happy to be apart of this site im a avid writer and this looks like something that could give me the type of challenge. I've read a lot of the stories on the board Like Connor, DSR and a few others but never felt like registering. I decided to finally take the plunge and i'm excited to see what other fans of this site like me like to do

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Re: The Lounge - Newbies Welcome
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2010, 09:52:30 PM »
:welcome: to the shiny new, updated board Peter!

Perfect timing I'd say.

Some nice show choices there and there is plenty more where that came from!

Enjoy your time here.

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