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Season One Discussion
« on: March 02, 2009, 09:29:10 PM »
So will the Slayers pass their exams with full marks? Or should the writers go back to school and do more homework? Tell us what you think of this series!
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Re: Season One Discussion
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2009, 03:42:21 PM »
Great Series!  :D
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Re: Season One Discussion
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2009, 06:27:05 AM »
Im currently reading the Angel Continuation... but ill check this series out once im done with the third Angel episode...

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Re: Season One Discussion
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2009, 07:51:45 AM »
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Re: Season One Discussion
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2009, 04:05:21 PM »
What was everyone's favourite S1 episode? Myself, it's a tie between 'Sports' and 'Face Off'; there was just a real ensemble feel to both, as well as some great fights and dialogue. I'd say one of my favourite S1 moments was the Alita/Delaney fight, which was the first time the two really shared screentime. Both really shined during that fight, and I think it was the first time I really cared for Delaney as a character. Plus, 'Face Off' is where Skye began to come into her own character-wise.


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Re: Season One Discussion
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2009, 04:18:48 PM »
Wow, I honestly can't remember what happened in Season One of the show! I can't recall the basics of the episode so it's hard to remember what me favourite is.

I'll have to have a look at the episode blurbs and see if any of that jogs my memories.


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Re: Season One Discussion
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2009, 04:22:16 PM »
It was a long time ago, but I've no doubt my fave eps were 'The Nightmare Before', 'Perchance To Dream' and 'The New Kid'. All of them had an epic feel and were connected to the Sonho demon arc. I'll admit that I don't remember much of them now (it was nearly four years ago, after all), but I can distinctly remember how much I enjoyed them.

Also, if I'm correct, 'The Nightmare Before' had Xander in it and 'The New Kid', a sort of flashback from the Buffy episode 'Bad Girls', only Sofia was in the place of Faith and ended up killing a human. It was Sofia's worst nightmare, wasn't it? To become a Rogue Slayer like Faith a few years earlier.

A scene that I truly enjoyed from 'The New Kid' was the Alita/Delaney fight on the rooftop. How it ends with Delaney winning this time around and leaving Alita bleeding after saying "And I don't know who killed your mother". I think that was the first time I cared about Alita, and that was completely due to Lee's great writing. I'm particularly a fan of this part:

"As Alita gasps for breath, watching her life spill out onto
the rooftop, the only sound is of her laboured breathing and
the falling rain"

I think after season two's 'SNAFU', 'The Nightmare Before' and 'The New Kid' are my favorite SA episodes.

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Re: Season One Discussion
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2009, 04:30:59 PM »
(spoilers for S1-3)

Alita/Delaney really was one of the series' key relationships in the shows first three years, wasn't it? I still ache that I pulled out of writing S3's 'Okaasan', because I envisioned that being partially a love letter to their relationship and I would've loved writing that.


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Re: Season One Discussion
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2009, 06:08:30 PM »
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Re: Season One Discussion
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2009, 06:09:19 PM »
A:16 Blunt

Written By: Lee A. Chrimes

In A Nutshell: Sofia gets pissed. It’s revealed Skye killed people (d’uh!) and the Scythe stops working.

Sofia awakens with another dream that leaves her with bruise, but before she can worry about it, she and Keeya are sent to go and exhibit the scythe at an exhibition. However Sofia sees the girl in her dream there and things get a little bit darker…

Well – there was development. Things are beginning to open up and characters begin to have their views and alliances change.

This is the kind of episode that needed to be seen a third of a season earlier.

A good episode? Yes. Very Good? Definitely. An excellent episode? Not quite. While it’s about time that the overcrowded characters were given a look at, the death of Keeya (while well written and well executed) didn’t hit the desired emotional impact at the time.

Whether Sofia seeing The First was supposed to have any relevance or surprise was completely lost on me. I’ve never seen the point of The First, and that’s because the parent programme ballsed it all up when it started (I’ll say it ‘til I’m blue in the face – it TOUCHES Angel in Amends! Jenny Calendar rubs his back!). He/she/it is just an annoying fly that needs to swotted and keeps dragging Slayer Academy away from an original identity. Plus normal people have seen The First – so why would Sofia seeing it be a huge deal? And from the sound of things, The First said that Sofia had died? It made little sense. The following tension growing between Skye and Sofia (while finally arriving) again didn’t hit an emotional nerve. Talking about using ideas from the past – Dana the Slayer Slayer…

But enough of the negatives, as there were still a lot of positives to mention in this episode. Ongoing arcs are getting ready to shift into the next gear, and there were plenty of surprises. A missing castle. The Initiative being little sneaky people. Kira showing some real dark side. Some brilliant fight scenes. Rachel and Delaney’s discussion that hints they are more than just random henchmen.

While her interaction with Skye may have been a slight let down, Sofia is on the verge of some interesting development, a growing temper and isolation seems to be brewing, and it actually looked as if she was going to beat Delaney to death. Eyes are open on this one…

While some regular characters have been reduced to cameo roles – it’s good to see that there’s effort to develop them. Considering Frankie’s pregnancy, a direct consequence of having sex, which looks to finally be the event that will kick off this Army –vs– Suits confrontation I’m waiting for. But hey – at least Frankie didn’t have sex with a boy she cast a love spell on and consequently didn’t remember that he lost his virginity. Hopefully this can show some real maturity for Frankie and stop ‘er from being annoying. It’s also interesting to finally see that Greg’s going to end up with his role in proceedings judging by that final shot…

And it doesn’t really hit home what the episode title means until the closing scene – the scythe no longer ‘works’. Does this mean every Slayer is deactivated? Only time will tell…

Three Reasons to read Blunt:

    * The underlying tension between the Initiative and the Council continues to be interesting, any day now it’ll pop.
    * The inevitable localisation and coherent plots beginning to settle in.
    * The scythe not working. What. The. Hell?

Three Reasons to miss Blunt:

    * The First’s appearance is tacky.
    * The emotional impact the episode intended wasn’t exactly hit.
    * The strange habit of bringing in things from the past instead of shaking the shackles off and really hitting with some more original ideas.

Stealing the Show: Sofia – well, I doubt that no-one else could really, but stories are opening up to be extremely exciting if she continues on this new spiral.

Choice Quotes:

Greg: “Sofia, you’ll be taking Skye, Alita and Heidi.”
Heidi: “Wait, don’t I get a say in this?”
Greg: “No.”
Short. Simple. Sweet. Humourous. Skye take note.

The Final Word: The series begins to venture towards darker territory; Skye continues to be unappealing, some characters actions are going in nice directions, some great surprises and everything is looking good in most aspects.

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Re: Season One Discussion
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2009, 06:09:44 PM »
A:17 Rearranged

Written By: Lee A. Chrimes

In A Nutshell: Greg’s not Greg, he’s Hamish. Real Greg is having the crap kicked out of him by Dana The Slayer-Slayer. Skye and Sofia still on bad terms. Frankie still on a bad stomach. Alita on bad covert abilities.

Greg’s preoccupied with looking for something about his parents, Sofia is still frosty around Skye and Frankie has the morning sickness. Skye asks Alita to ‘observe’ (not spy) on Sofia while they go out to a demon nest…and something else is brewing…

One thing that I was actually quite shocked to discover was how recent episodes of Chrimes’ shows are written; and I have to wonder whether recent debates about whether Emma is actually the first has spurned the conversations between Emma and Sofia, or at least influenced the content. But the mystery is handled well – apart from Sofia’s out burst at the end which seemed to dent the moment and lean more towards ‘it’s The First’ side of the debate. But aside from that – the question of whether she’s The First is probably going to end up being spun a lot more.

It’s also the return of Dana The Slayer-Slayer, hurting her fists on Greg’s jaw line. Probably the only thing she’s good at – but it led to the only other bad thing I could think off; that the revelation that Greg was actually not with the girl’s was low-key to the point I had to back-up and check I didn’t mis-read anything.

But other than those two points – the episode was really hitting strongly in all aspects. Skye wasn’t as annoying as usual (probably because she didn’t have much to do that required her to mention every show Chrimes can remember) and asking Alita to ‘not spy’ on Sofia was great. Considering the comic potential that these two have with each other (remember them drinking?) this should pay-off with comedic moments and it’s dark moments. The Greg thing in context suddenly made much sense and was really cloaked well. An episode which I thought would’ve revolved around his quest to find more information about his father turned into something more interesting. And I actually cheered in joy when the Initiative burst in on the exchange.

Darker, more dramatic and with portents of things to come - Slayer Academy is beginning to show what it is capable of from the Pilot.

Three Reasons to read Rearranged:

    * The whole bluff about the impostor was incredibly handled.
    * A huge “America, F**K YEAH!” moment when the Initiative nearly botch up the exchange.
    * Infighting. Bitching. Trouble a-brewing within the ranks. Excellent.

Three Reasons to miss Rearranged:

    * The eventual reveal that Greg is with Kira forced me to double-check what I read.
    * Sofia acting a bit dumb. Telling ‘The First’ that it’s ‘The First’. That’s probably what it wants.
    * A Blair Witch AND a Captain Planet reference in the space of not-very-many lines.

Stealing the Show: Sofia – she’s really beginning to interest me now. Starting to become isolated and single-minded and not afraid to speak out against authority figures.

Choice Quotes:

Not a quote – but the moment where the helicopters fly over Sofia and Delaney was just riveting.

The Final Word: I *was* on the verge of giving this a 10, but there’s the feeling that SA can really pull out something better than this. And when it goes – the quality should begin to go through the roof.

Xand Rating: 9

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Re: Season One Discussion
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2009, 06:10:09 PM »
A:18  Messenger

Written By: Brian L. Lamkin

In A Nutshell: We find the boy who has been visiting Sofia in her dreams, there’s a new girl and it’s pretty average until an interesting coda…

The mysterious boy that Sofia has been seeing in her dreams tells her where she can find him, and upon meeting him finds that he has ‘gifts’ and is meant to help a Slayer. Meanwhile a new girl starts at the Academy…

While arc-wise you can argue whether this is a stand alone episode, there’s some stuff here that could help towards some good character development in the future; which is surprising as the episode was actually quite average until it’s closing moments.

The Sofia/Tyson conversations weren’t really interesting or inspiring as I didn’t really think much of him, and Trina wasn’t making an impression until the end. It was only when the Slayers help Sofia that it was clear that she was a good fighter – and possibly one that could be a valuable asset. A growing friendship with Alita was also opening some interesting storylines…and then bam. Shock factor. However it should begin to shake some of the characters – to which I’m all for it.

With Tyson – there’s the sense that another plot-line is going to be opened here, and with a lot of setting-up, there’s a fear that it’ll end up being completely lost in this series like some of the other plots that have been seemingly forgotten about, including Vampires wanting to walk in sunlight and experiments on Skye. Also there was the apparent loss of the tension between Skye and Sofia (although there was an underlying tactic of them not actually having a scene together).

But there was still some good highlights, with some good fight scenes and Sofia’s character arc beginning to show signs of where it could possibly be heading, and hopefully some good stuff with Alita (hopefully) coming out of her shell a bit more.

And what the hell is a ‘Prep’ school?

Three Reasons to read Messenger:

    * The final few pages of the script and the ‘twist’.
    * Decent fight scenes.
    * A strangely nice teaser…

Three Reasons to miss Messenger:

    * Tyson’s dialogue is extremely weak.
    * Trina, for most of the episode really isn’t that interesting until near the end.
    * The apparent loss of any tension between Skye and Sofia.

Stealing the Show: Alita – Difficult this week, but I settled for Alita – as aside from Sofia, she’ll probably be the most affected by Trina’s death.

Choice Quotes:

Catherine: “Demons that are driven by hunger or thirst will do pretty much anything. Awfully like humans that way, aren’t they?”
Oh so true.

The Final Word: Fairly uninspiring stuff with another Slayer…until a pretty interesting twist in the end which suggests that some characters will not be the same after this.

Xand Rating: 7

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Re: Season One Discussion
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2009, 06:10:42 PM »
A:19  Face Off

Written By: Lewis S. Payne

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In A Nutshell: Chinese Monks go dragon raising, we learn that Kira is Delaney’s mum and we get more hints about Alita.

Chinese Slayers have gone missing and *another* Hellmouth is about to opened. The Slayers go to find four scrolls to stop it, but don’t account for the Rogues to show up…

It had to happen.

It’s another ‘Hellmouth in another Country’ episode.

Oh well.

But hang on, there’s something different. This one is…good. That’s right, the bane of Slayer Academy’s early half of it’s first season is worthy of praise.

There are a few factors why this is, and the first is that there’s a lot of thought being put into the characters now, with some moments bringing to some great stuff – and this episode it’s Alita. Flashbacks to her mother, and to her background lead to the episode’s highlight where Alita confronts and beats the shiznit out Delaney. The hard-to-read Alita is becoming very interesting, and it looks as if she’s going to become one of the more interesting characters on the series.

In fact, Alita completely steals the episode’s supposed ‘main event’ of the Sofia/Delaney fight, to the point it didn’t feel like it loved up to it’s hype. The relationship between Sofia and Delaney developed in some interesting moments where they both have to work together – but it all felt cheap after Alita earned her stripes as a character.

Other low points include some iffy dialogue, Tyson still coming across as flat and confusing, some dodgy dialogue (Skye mentioning a joke that Skye would say broke the flow on an action sequence) and Skye, who I thought was going be actually be liked by me this week, had to throw another forced joke and I just didn’t like her. Although for the first time, I felt one of her lines felt completely in character and natural. When she sees Dana and tells Greg she’ll ‘call him back’ calmly and casually as the Slayer-Slayer advances was a good point.

But that’s all the major niggles and flaws in a good episode that even had me smiling and liking Frankie at some points, although I wasn’t sure about her with Alita’s diary. The episode also has possible the best climax of the series so far which plays on the no-budget possibilities of Virtual Series as the Dragon flies into the sky and destroys the castle. It flowed excellently and was a great spectacle, and the interest for the last three episodes of the first season has suddenly increased.

Three Reasons to read Face Off:

    * The first decent ‘Away Mission’ episode of Slayer Academy in…er…ever.
    * Alita’s development.
    * The climax.

Three Reasons to miss Face Off:

    * Odd few moments of dialogue slippage including Sofia referencing a habit we want Skye lose.
    * Just when you think Skye would be likable, out comes another pop-culture reference.
    * It’s *still* a ‘Hellmouth-in-another-country-plot’.

Stealing the Show: Alita – we learn that she’s half Hispanic, her mother was killed and she beats THE LIVING CRAP out of Delaney to the point that the rogue’s Slayer’s hyped fight with Sofia is quite a let down.

Choice Quotes:

Frankie: “People don’t count on me being deadly, as I am so very sexy.”
The Art of War. Francoise DuMont style.

The Final Word: Slayer Academy appears to be fighting itself sinking into old habits, and it almost wins – but select moments, Skye’s unnecessary desire to try and crack a joke every two seconds and some dodgy dialogue in places damper the possible first SA episode of this type to be Great. It has to settle for ‘very good’, and with a great action sequence at the end, it’s earned it.

Xand Rating: 8

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Re: Season One Discussion
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2009, 06:11:12 PM »
A:20  Motion

Written By: Lee A. Chrimes

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In A Nutshell: The B-Team fight demons in Alaska and end up dragging it back to the Academy. Some facts about Dunstall come to light while Skye gets on with her bad self.

After Aiden, Anna, Heidi, Debbie and Erika come back from a mission in Alaska, they find Erika’s accidentally brought back some kind of strange demon that begins to terrorise the academy.

You can tell that they’re taking my earlier comments to heart, the staff on Slayer Academy, as you can see they are trying to balance out the story with Academy-based stuff and character development along with the away-mission episodes. Alas, while they’re trying to balance it out – the episode appeal to tilt the scales one way for half an episode – and then the other way for the second half.

This is probably because of the way the episode is laid out. The first two Acts are mainly setting up and focusing on the B-Team in Alaska, while the second half feels like a slightly different animal and a different episode connected by a pretty standard and dull monster-of-the-week. This was amplified by the majority of the main characters being sidelined (Frankie hardly appeared until Act Three), and a lot of the episode’s sub-plots waiting until Act Three to open up. Other low points to the episode continue the almost ‘James from Pathways’ style handling of Tyson, where the writers want him a certain way – but he’s coming across completely differently and uneven to the audience. There’s just no connection with him at all, and he just appears to be an inconsistent mess of development to the point I cannot describe his character clearly. I can say, “he’s a psychic with an Alita crush who might or might not be happy at all the attention he gets from girls”.

Which is strange because other minor characters do come across a lot better, even if they still appear to be two-dimensional portraits of aspects of the A-Team’s characteristics times a hundred…Erika is the mysterious warrior despite a disability, so she’s Skye, Heidi is the dark flat side of Frankie times ten, Debbie is the insecurity of Alita multiplied by a hundred while Anna…I actually couldn’t remember Anna that much, but I’m sure there’s something linking her to Sofia. Their mission was good to watch, but doesn’t really show much towards them as characters with the exception of some scenes with Erika – who looks to be a valuable asset for the Academy.

But there were some great moments here, the whole Frankie pregnancy in the second half revealed some shocking surprises, and the revelation of Dunstall’s actual age was probably the biggest surprise that this series has mustered so far. The action scenes flowed together during the Alaskan bits (I actually did think that Aiden was going to be severely injured) with some great set pieces. The intrigued around Greg increases – and the final scene finally begins to hit that Slayer Academy is beginning to reach it’s first milestone, so let’s hope we get some revelations and surprises.

Also, I don’t think Skye quipped an unnecessary pop-culture reference. Points for that.

Three Reasons to read Motion:

    * Nice to see the back-ups have some page-time.
    * Wait. Was there a pop culture reference from Skye? No? Wow.
    * The Dunstall ‘Revelation’.

Three Reasons to miss Motion:

    * The episode’s balance felt all skewed and uneven.
    * Tyson still has yet to appeal to me.
    * Dull ‘demon-of-the-week’ plot.

Stealing the Show: Dunstall – he’s only in it for one scene, but the revelation about him is quite shocking.

Choice Quotes:

Ellen: “You’re twenty-four, and she’s seventeen. How old does she think you are?”
Dunstall: “Uh…I don’t know, ma’am.”
Uh-oh. This actually one of SA’s bigger surprises.

The Final Word: An okay episode let down by the feeling of unevenness as most of the first episode is weighed down waiting for the Alaskan plot to finish before anything else can happen. But an enjoyable episode anyway. And I didn’t swear at Skye.

Xand Rating: 7

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Re: Season One Discussion
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2009, 06:11:36 PM »
A:21 Perchance to Dream

Written By: Lee A. Chrimes, Chris Kelly, Paul Robinson, Lewis S. Payne and Brian R. Lamkin.

Slayer Academy

In A Nutshell: That bloody Sonho demon is back. And demons are attacking the Academy. Well, they will…any day now…

The girls find themselves facing the Sonho demon again with the help of a ghostly Emma while Greg goes to find his father.

So we reach the penultimate episode of the season, and as we get the actions unfolding in the background - there’s the matter of that little Sonho demon coming back again. Okay - it’s something we’ve seen before in this series; dreams affecting the main characters, but there is an odd chance to see characters and their inner workings. Plus several secrets the girls were keeping come to light amongst each other.

While we get glimpses to the girls inner workings - again there’s the definite feeling that the script is trying to pad out the action up to the cliff-hanger of the demons attacking the academy. But we do get some answers about Emma - in that it is Emma. It’s just a shame shame she hardly gets anything to do apart from be a spectral Cheerleader, apart from a scene with Tyson. Other parts of the episode show some interesting spins of where the characters could be set to go - with Sofia on Probation and Greg’s (admittedly unexciting) quest to find his dad (my guess: Rupert Giles).

The most exciting aspect of the cliff-hanger, is still The Initiative - and their refusal to help their ‘allies’. I hope that something happens to this plot in the finale, as there’s a scene where Greg and Ellen practically threaten each other that still lingers in my mind.

Three Reasons to read Perchance to Dream:

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      Alita fans get their heroine kicking some dream daddy arse.
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      Sofia on Probation was a good idea - I hope that it’s used again, or they don’t forget about it.
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      Secrets coming out…

Three Reasons to miss Perchance to Dream:

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      Flow is completely messed.
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      Okay - dreams again. Restless inspired. Cheese man
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      Emma hardly got anything to do!

Stealing the Show: Frankie – Must admit - her dream sequence was interesting.

Choice Quotes:
Emma: “Even her nightmares are grandoise…”
Emma critique’s Frankie’s sub-conscious…

The Final Word: Slightly iffy in places as several ideas are trying to be used all in go; and leaving a storyline open for the next episode to carry on looks as if it could harm the finale. Some good character observations though.

Xand Rating: 6

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Re: Season One Discussion
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2009, 06:12:11 PM »
A:22 The New Kid

Written By: Lee A. Chrimes

Slayer Academy

In A Nutshell: Kira and the Rogue Slayers attack the Academy - and we see just who this ‘new kid’ is…

Kira and the Demons invade the Academy, and while Sofia tries to battle the Sonho demon, the other girls are primed and ready to battle…

So, Slayer Academy’s first season ends. Is it with a huge explosive nuclear BANG? Or a tiny tiny whimper? Well, The New Kid is the equivalent of someone sneaking behind you and shouting ‘BANG!’ as loudly as possible before smacking you around the face a few times with a sledgehammer. Initial harmless shocks, and some blows that will cause some noticeable bruises - but nothing amazingly life changing and unhealable. This finale was both treading water and diving at the same time - and in places there were satisfactory moments, but there were some really strange moments as well. Now I’m quite picky when it comes to season finales - as I like to think that everything that’s happened is building up to a huge pay-off and rewarding experience.

There’s some definite Return of The Jedi style-stuff here, with a huge ongoing plot thread from the last instalment tainting the beginning of this one and limiting what’s there. The whole Sonho/Emma aspect of the episode just felt tacked on to the whole episode and out of place structurally and thematically compared to everything else. The moments where Sofia relives Buffy’s memories from Bad Girls and Graduation Day Part I were an interesting touch, but a complete detour from the more interesting stuff that the episode should’ve been delivering. E.g. More death and mayhem and bringing the season to a climax.

Now I get that there are multi-seasonal stories and a long term plan for the show, but despite a few shocks and revelations - there just didn’t seem to have a full feeling of getting to a milestone in places; where characters reach a placeholder and an important place in their lives. The characters that did get to this was Skye, Ellen and Debbie (who has a new found bravery streak in her). While in other places there were some slight disappointments in how season long storylines weren’t developed or teased further, and rewards for the fans that have stuck this long were admittedly few. It raises enough questions - and we have the ‘new kid’ revealed - a Male Slayer, but for all the other questions - more could’ve been revealed (Kira/Hamish for example). We got more hints about things to come with Hamish going after Tyson. But there was nothing that completely shattered any of the regular foundations the show had. The nearest that the episode had was the Initiative not helping the council, and Greg’s resignation (as low key as that came across).

And then the cliff-hanger, this must still be the virtual spin-off sceptic within me, but I didn’t find it completely jaw-dropping-shocking. Intriguing, yes. Another Scythe? Hmm… but it felt rather low-key compared to other stuff going on. For me as well, Greg’s ‘resignation’ didn’t appear as a shock to me either, mainly because I never gotten around to really be supporting his quest to find his father. The appearance of Breadon was also slightly suspicious - how the hell did he get in without being seen?

But there is still a lot to go for this; and the first thing that struck me was that Skye was actually not annoying for the first time in a long long…ever. And was actually funny, “Does anyone know any good jokes” being a good line from her. Skye also was the only character that I felt travelled full circle and had a sense of closure to her character’s season arc. Moments with her vamping out (’haven’t done that in a long while’) and biting Rachel - revealing the Blonde Slayer’s Vampiric nature, moments that suggest she’s beginning to become more comfortable with her vampire side. Alita, while not getting to find out something more about her mother; did get a good fight scene out of Delaney. Frankie, while her pregnancy and it’s impact was very lightly dealt with, did show some true colours in going to fight (and using her shoes as weapons was actually pretty impressive) and Sofia’s character did begin to show more dark colours to her. The Dana/Heidi fight was great - and thankfully the fight sequences were described well enough and not brushed away with a ‘they fight’, which amps up the suspense - that was broken by characters acting out scenes from a show it’s trying to break away from.

It wasn’t awful. It wasn’t average. It was good. Nearly great, but because of my no ‘half points’ rule (which would break my rating system to be out of 20 - not 10) I can’t give it a 7.5. I’m also wondering whether revelations about Kira and Hamish were set back for the mid-season mini-series…

And I did find Debbie likable. I must add that the first episode of Mr. Thorpe and His Family contains a slight poke at her - that was written before I read this episode.

Three Reasons to read The New Kid:

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      The (mostly) action-packed story and fight scenes.
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      Moments where Skye feels like she’s developed through the season.
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      Heidi/Dana fight scene.

Three Reasons to miss The New Kid:

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      Slightly underwhelming introduction of a Male Slayer and resulting, interesting, but not ‘gimme season two right now’ cliff-hanger.
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      The lack of a feeling of closure, or answers on some arcs that gave the reader a rewarding experience.
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      For a series that’s trying to break itself away, an appearance from Buffy and two scenes worded from Buffy doesn’t half feel weird.

Stealing the Show: Skye – Shockingly getting the best from this season finale.

Choice Quotes:
Skye: “So…know any good jokes?”
How funny Skye is supposed to be. At the inappropriate time.

Alita: “I am very quiet.”
How funny Skye is supposed to be. At the inappropriate time.

The Final Word: Season One of Slayer Academy ends with a mixed attempt that offers some closure and some hints to the future. But it does make some mistakes along the way, and the feeling of feeling a little cheated does appear.

Xand Rating: 7

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Re: Season One Discussion
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2009, 08:18:45 AM »
Okay guys, please point your browsers toward the pilot:
http://virtual-mutant.mzp-tv.co.uk/sa/s1/episodes/sa1x01.pdf

Leave your general thoughts and later, hopefully, we'll have some questions from Alden :)

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Re: Season One Discussion
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2009, 01:29:37 PM »
First off, I should probably admit, that if there was any show on the board that I really, really didn't want to read... it was this one. I disliked the multi-slayer storyline on Season 7 of Buffy. Slayer overload. So I really didn't want to read even more slayer adventures, even if it did near Joss Whedon quality.

Saying that...

The teaser was quite effective. Introducing us to a slayer who obviously knows how to handle a vamp, if not a map. And in less than five pages, we have our premise: Slayer Academy.

Very first impression of Franciose DuCont = Fleur Delacour.

Having not read the Buffy or Angel continuation here, I was a bit confused by Skye and Sophia's backstory - which I'm guessing was needed before starting, given what was "unsaid" between those two (we get their lifestory at the end though, so I guess that's okay). It's definitely not a completely standalone spinoff.

A large chunk of the episode is spent introducing us to a fair number of characters and their backstory, and while there are a few misfires, for the most part we get an idea of who these people are. It's quite a busy episode with a lot to absorb.

It's interesting that the first threat the superhumans face is from within - a dream. Also interesting, that it is a demonic side of someone that solved it. I'm guessing this means there will be a lot of events where slayer strength are useless. And poor Xander, imaginary that he is - he is one of the three "guys" in this episode who turned out to be evil. I'm glad I know this was written by a guy or I'd worry that there was some male-hate going on :p

Killing a potential main character was a good twist. I imagine we'll see the fallout in the following few episodes. Poor Alita though. She looks like the one worst affected by this event, and given she is so insular, she has no one to reach out to for help or support.

Now I await the questions :)




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Re: Season One Discussion
« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2009, 02:29:08 PM »
What did you know about the show before reading?

Come on, it's Slayer Academy you have to have been living under a rock in  your time on MZP if you don't have an idea what this shows about (and even then the name gives a big hint). It really has been a long time though since I was anywhere near SA Season One and this is certainly going to be a blast from the past.

When you think about Slayers you automatically think about Vampires. The problem then is writing a good pilot episode that introduces the world to the reader without being too much like Buffy. The Vampire appears in the teaser and is taken out quickly by Sofia. That shows us she knows her stuff but it also leaves the rest of the episode to look at a different kind of Demon.

Did you have fun reading the episode?

The episode is a good one. We throw our main girls into the fray right off the bat. Emma doesn't make it which is interesting as I'm sure some would agree that she could have been a main character for the season. As I said we get a different kind of Demon which helps make things a bit fresh and we wind up with Sofia in a situation she's not able to handle even after all her time with Buffy. This is good as you don't want things starting off too easy for the gang but you need to create your own characters and story.

If the episode wasn't what you usually read (because you don't like the genre etc), was this episode a pleasant surprise?

This show is definitely what I read and I expect that rings true for many more on this site. Buffy and Angel brought me here and shows like this were what kept me around. As I'm caught up with Season 4 I can look back on this and see how the show has matured and changed in the years it's been around. Things remain interesting in Slayer Academy to this day.

Were the main characters clearly established? Do you think they stand out as fully development individuals?

I had forgotten how annoying Frankie was in the beginning! The episode gives us five girls to meet (which I speak about later) so we can connect to them. Alita doesn't really get much time in this episode but it is hard to include someone who is very quiet. She does get to end the episode though which is a nice touch. She could be seen as the most knowledgeable as she has been training since the age of seven but she is obviously frightened by the things the group may end up facing. Skye and Sofia have the real life training out of the group so there is a nice dynamic in the group.

What, for you, were the main strengths and "selling points" of this episode?

The worry for this kind of show is that with a school you're going to have lots of students but with only five girls you get to ease in and meet a few people first. I'm not sure why it is that only five girls appear or why they were chosen but it keeps things simple. We also meet some of the staff who will make appearances through the season.

Thing is, we have a show that is heavily influenced by Buffy and Angel that come before it. I don't expect many who read aren't going to have read the other but as Roon has admitted she is reading as part of WKRC and not a fan. We have Sophie shown around campus and Barbara immediately brings up the Sythe. This means a lot to readers of Buffy but anyone else is left to wonder just what it is and why it is so important that it is being tested and that it is even mentioned so quickly in the show. Then we have Skye turning up and she's got a bunch of history over in Angel.

Overall the show tries to stand on it's own two feet but there is still some unnecessary details that leave some people out of the loop. The Demon is a new problem for the group but remains quite easy to take care of, we want the more difficult ones to be saved for later on. For the most part you get a nice introduction to the gang without overloading the reader with too much information. Slayer Academy starts well and I know that over the Season(s) things develop nicely and the characters too.


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Re: Season One Discussion
« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2009, 03:37:49 PM »
The pilot was always a surprise. There was a good foundation to build from and an underlying darkness to promote tension with the death of Emma. In hindsight, Frankie should really have had more likable traits introduced straight away - but it is an entertaining yarn.

As someone who hasn't read the Buffy/Angel continuations there is a lot of info to try and process in the episode; though watching the original series helps - complete beginners will end up being confuzzled throughout the pilot.