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Re: Season Five Discussion
« Reply #300 on: April 19, 2011, 11:21:58 PM »
Why am I not terrified by this vision unfolding before me? :D

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Re: Season Five Discussion
« Reply #301 on: April 19, 2011, 11:28:37 PM »
Congraulations guys, we finally made it to the finish line and what a way to go, eh? :D

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Re: Season Five Discussion
« Reply #302 on: April 19, 2011, 11:32:38 PM »
any ideas when the vdvd will be available? cause i wanna get the series. but i was just wondering if there were gonna be any bonus features for the vdvd.
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« Reply #303 on: April 19, 2011, 11:36:57 PM »
I'll make it my mission to get special features on there, don't worry! However, there's no date as of yet!

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« Reply #304 on: April 19, 2011, 11:58:15 PM »
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Re: Season Five Discussion
« Reply #305 on: April 20, 2011, 02:31:15 AM »
Can somebody link me to the final episode please as my browser doesn't seem to show it when I click on to the home page or episode page. Can't wait to read it I can already tell it's going to be epic!!

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Re: Season Five Discussion
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Re: Season Five Discussion
« Reply #307 on: April 20, 2011, 06:44:03 AM »
Congratulations to all the SA staff, past and present thup This is a hell of an achievement.

Now what are you all going to do? :-P

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« Reply #308 on: April 20, 2011, 06:50:46 AM »
Well... That's a secret. :P


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Re: Season Five Discussion
« Reply #309 on: April 20, 2011, 07:59:25 AM »
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Re: Season Five Discussion
« Reply #310 on: April 22, 2011, 02:45:18 PM »
Luke’s Review of ‘Into Each Generation’

So, 5 seasons and two webisode series later we are finally at the end.  Can the series finale live up to the expectations set by previous season finales such as Vertigo and Ask Me Again and the stellar season that has come before it?  There’s only one way to find out...

I’m still thinking that the choice Sofia mentioned to Greg will be whether they want to be slayers or not.  They will use the scythe and the Orb of Enchantia to give every slayer the choice of whether they want the power.  When Buffy made all of the potentials slayers in Chosen she doomed a lot of girls to death as they were simply unprepared for the forces that would come after them so I think it will be awesome if this is the plan they go with, give these girls a choice that Buffy or the Shadow Men never did.

I can’t believe Mela actually killed Fran.  I was expecting her to have a change of heart and tell Fran that she loved her too and then Celeste was going to kill Fran but no, your way is so much better than that!!!  I wasn’t a big Fran fan, I found her annoying a lot of the time and her and Mela have really irritated me this season but I think this was a great way to end her story.  It was over with quite quickly too but I think this was a good thing, like Anya’s death in Chosen, that highlights how something so big can go almost unnoticed in a battle as huge as the one we have here.  Obviously Fran’s death had a huge impact on the episode but it was over so quick and the girls didn’t have any time to react to it which was a little heartbreaking.

So the plan is to create the biggest hellmouth ever and open it to destroy the world.  I’m liking that the show is going back to it’s roots and this episode is essentially a ‘close the hellmouth of the week’ episode and is set in what everyone was demanding back in those first seasons, more stories set at the academy.

I’m a little sad to see Delaney break her no killing rule, even though Mela fully deserved it.  I think it would have been awesome to have her finish the series having stuck to that.  Celeste’s death was pretty decent, bringing into play those scenes between Lady Huang and Sofia that mostly bored me.

I think it’s safe to say Tori has kicked the bucket.  Then again, you never know with this show, she could survive it somehow or the bad guys could keep her body and use her to get to our girls like Hamish tried to do with Rachel.

The closing of the hellmouth seemed a little easy if I’m being honest, Frankie did a spell and then whatever almost managed to get out got crush by the school.  It all seemed a little rushed.  Then again, there’s so much to get into this episode that some things were always going to feel that way.

Delaney having both the power of all the slayers and the coven inside her and not being able to handle it is a great climax of her story of not knowing whether she’s a witch or a slayer primarily.  The fact that she tells Winstone that she is a slayer and a with says that she is finally comfortable and acceptant of being both.  That’s my opinion anyway.

I reckon that Frankie will have chosen not to have the slayer power, she has proven to everyone, and more importantly herself, hat she doesn’t need it to be strong.  She is amazing at doing what she does.  Sophia too will deny the power.  I think this is the end of her journey as a slayer.  Will she appear in Ragnarok?  Almost certainly.  I think that she is ready to choose her successor and will choose Belle or Reiko.

No, no, no.  Why did you have Frankie kiss Dade?!?!?!?!  It just doesn’t feel right.  It should have been Reiko kissing Dade.  We only get Barbara back for a little cameo in a scene towards the very end.  I’d have liked her to come back in the previous episode with Catherine et al or leading the cavalry that Winstone called for but this is better than nothing.  I liked the ending, I think it closed both the episode and the show nicely.

I would have liked to have seen Emma again.  She’s probably the only character that I missed in the episode.  I think it would have been nice to have Sophia and Frankie stood next to what’s left of the academy and when you showed the building in all it’s glory have Emma, Alita and Skye appear next to them before showing all the other characters that we have lost.  That would have been a nice touch.

This may just be me being stupid and I have no evidence to back me up as I can’t remember what made me think this but I thought in the past it was mentioned that Reiko was the true slayer?  With that I expected her to play a bigger part in the finale of the show.  Like I said though, I don’t recall where this comes from.

Well, I don’t think anyone can say that Slayer Academy went out with a whimper!  The academy itself is destroyed, the coven is gone, the activation spell from ‘Chosen’ was improved, several character deaths and some great visuals.  Definitely a fitting finale to an awesome show.

There have been high points over the years: Frankie’s amazing transformation; Skye’s development from sarcastic sidekick to full on leader; Delaney and SNAFU to name but a few.  There have been low points: too many characters; Debbie (a general opinion, not mine) and poor male characters.  One things for sure though, you guys were amazingly resilient.  Not only did you take on a fair bit of criticism and stuck with the show, but you have turned it into a rather decent series and brought it to what feels like a natural conclusion.  You could have quickly written an ending for season three and called it quits but you stuck to your guns and told an amazing story.  Thank-you.

Goodbye to one of the most amazing shows ever created.

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Re: Season Five Discussion
« Reply #311 on: April 22, 2011, 03:49:30 PM »
Thanks muchly, Luke. :D Very glad you enjoyed it!

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This may just be me being stupid and I have no evidence to back me up as I can’t remember what made me think this but I thought in the past it was mentioned that Reiko was the true slayer?  With that I expected her to play a bigger part in the finale of the show.

Heh, this was us being tricky. Reiko was the last Slayer in the Slayer line, but only in that she didn't die before Sofia destroyed the line and bound Slayerdom into their bloodlines. She was the last one 'Called' (after a string of deaths and pseudo-deaths - Buffy, Kendra, Faith, Sofia, Skye, and Delaney were ahead of her in the 'line'), which meant if it had reverted back to one Slayer, it would have been Reiko. So she was the last of the Slayer Line... technically.


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Re: Season Five Discussion
« Reply #312 on: April 22, 2011, 05:11:54 PM »
Thanks for the final review, Lukey!


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I'm still thinking that the choice Sofia mentioned to Greg will be whether they want to be slayers or not.  They will use the scythe and the Orb of Enchantia to give every slayer the choice of whether they want the power.  When Buffy made all of the potentials slayers in Chosen she doomed a lot of girls to death as they were simply unprepared for the forces that would come after them so I think it will be awesome if this is the plan they go with, give these girls a choice that Buffy or the Shadow Men never did.

We thought it was a great way to tie in stuff from S1 that the guys had seeded in - plus giving everyone the chance of whether to stand up or not is thematically brilliant. Not everyone wants to, so forcing that choice on them isn't fair.

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I can't believe Mela actually killed Fran.  I was expecting her to have a change of heart and tell Fran that she loved her too and then Celeste was going to kill Fran but no, your way is so much better than that!!!  I wasn't a big Fran fan, I found her annoying a lot of the time and her and Mela have really irritated me this season but I think this was a great way to end her story.  It was over with quite quickly too but I think this was a good thing, like Anya's death in Chosen, that highlights how something so big can go almost unnoticed in a battle as huge as the one we have here.  Obviously Fran's death had a huge impact on the episode but it was over so quick and the girls didn't have any time to react to it which was a little heartbreaking.

It was a real punch to the gut and I think everyone was hoping in their optimistic part of themselves that Fran and Mela would make it out alive. Fran really grew as a character and to see those sharp edges worn away until she made the painful, truthful admission one person could ever make to another... it was great progress and transition, even if it cost her her life.

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So the plan is to create the biggest hellmouth ever and open it to destroy the world.  I'm liking that the show is going back to it’s roots and this episode is essentially a "close the hellmouth of the week" episode and is set in what everyone was demanding back in those first seasons, more stories set at the academy.

Yeah, there was a definite 'old school' vibe going on during these final episodes (especially seen in 'Magna Cum Laude' with the A Squad reunited).

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I'm a little sad to see Delaney break her no killing rule, even though Mela fully deserved it.  I think it would have been awesome to have her finish the series having stuck to that.  Celeste's death was pretty decent, bringing into play those scenes between Lady Huang and Sofia that mostly bored me.

Technically, Delaney broke that rule in 'Vertigo' by stabbing Jendayi and I think that it's a neccessity here: Mela betrayed them all, killed Fran... in Delaney's mind, that's plain unforgivable, especially from a girl she helped train into who she is.

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I think it's safe to say Tori has kicked the bucket.  Then again, you never know with this show, she could survive it somehow or the bad guys could keep her body and use her to get to our girls like Hamish tried to do with Rachel.

Tori is gone. That's all we'll say about that.

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The closing of the hellmouth seemed a little easy if I'm being honest, Frankie did a spell and then whatever almost managed to get out got crush by the school.  It all seemed a little rushed.  Then again, there's so much to get into this episode that some things were always going to feel that way.

It was fairly breathless, so we couldn't spend too much time on closing the Hellmouth, especially with all the damage sustained to the Academy. Plus Frankie knows her mojo, so she probably takes a shorter time than most.

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Delaney having both the power of all the slayers and the coven inside her and not being able to handle it is a great climax of her story of not knowing whether she's a witch or a slayer primarily.  The fact that she tells Winstone that she is a slayer and a with says that she is finally comfortable and acceptant of being both.  That's my opinion anyway.

Yeah, that's a great closing-off to Delaney's arc - she's comfortable with being who she is, with being a Slayer and Kira Brogan's daughter. :)

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I reckon that Frankie will have chosen not to have the slayer power, she has proven to everyone, and more importantly herself, hat she doesn't need it to be strong.  She is amazing at doing what she does.  Sophia too will deny the power.  I think this is the end of her journey as a slayer.  Will she appear in Ragnarok?  Almost certainly.  I think that she is ready to choose her successor and will choose Belle or Reiko.

I think a lot of it is open to intrepretation - Frankie and Sofia are the only girls left from the original A Squad and it's honestly cool if they no longer are Slayers. The old squad is gone, having given so much to the world, the new generation ready to take over at the frontline.

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No, no, no.  Why did you have Frankie kiss Dade?!?!?!?!  It just doesn't feel right.  It should have been Reiko kissing Dade.  We only get Barbara back for a little cameo in a scene towards the very end.  I’d have liked her to come back in the previous episode with Catherine et al or leading the cavalry that Winstone called for but this is better than nothing.  I liked the ending, I think it closed both the episode and the show nicely.

The Frankie/Dade relationship is one that's been there, platonic or not, for a while and I like to think that while Reiko keeps him safe and grounded, Frankie actually challenges him and makes him better. There's even a line in 5x20 where he admits that he came back for Frankie.

The cameos at the end were great little beats to tie up everyone who hadn't been directly addressed - giving them all a place and sense of belonging as to where they were.

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I would have liked to have seen Emma again.  She's probably the only character that I missed in the episode.  I think it would have been nice to have Sophia and Frankie stood next to what's left of the academy and when you showed the building in all it's glory have Emma, Alita and Skye appear next to them before showing all the other characters that we have lost.  That would have been a nice touch.

We did. :D Check the end of page 82 - it's a real tearjerker moment.

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This may just be me being stupid and I have no evidence to back me up as I can't remember what made me think this but I thought in the past it was mentioned that Reiko was the true slayer?  With that I expected her to play a bigger part in the finale of the show.  Like I said though, I don't recall where this comes from.

As Alden's mentioned, Reiko WAS really the end of the Slayer Line (which implies it's a transitional 'one girl gets the power, she dies, next girl gets the power'). We mentioned throughout S4 that the power stretching across too many girls was causing the Depowerment issue so the Slayer Power isn't playing by the usual rules anymore - Sofia's plan eradicated that, making a physical entity.

Plus her moments in the middle of the episode were fairly awesome - she followed Alita's advice and finally used her own judgement to make a decision, making her a true leader (as Sofia mentioned). Plus her beat in the final montage signifies this - throughout the season, she's been insecure and worried about her role as both a leader AND as the Chosen Slayer. Now the power's been secured and Belle becomes the successor, Reiko can embrace both being a leader and actually doing what she did in S3: LOVING being a Slayer. :D

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Well, I don't think anyone can say that Slayer Academy went out with a whimper!  The academy itself is destroyed, the coven is gone, the activation spell from "Chosen" was improved, several character deaths and some great visuals.  Definitely a fitting finale to an awesome show.

Thank you - it's no secret that we all had a hand in shaping the finale under Lee's guidance and generally awesome ideas, so you'll find we're all a little bit proud and a bit sentimental about this one. :D

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There have been high points over the years: Frankie's amazing transformation; Skye's development from sarcastic sidekick to full on leader; Delaney and SNAFU to name but a few.

Yes, as a reader a few years ago, I loved Frankie's evolution from self-centered princess to someone tougher and a million miles from her old self. To see her in S5 is a general amazement - kicking ass without being a Slayer whilst still wearing her Gucci. :D

Skye was a great development too - and Delaney was a fantastic transition from enemy to friend over time.

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There have been low points: too many characters; Debbie (a general opinion, not mine) and poor male characters.

The male characters I think weren't terrible - I just think that the girls were inherently more interesting and likable. And I personally liked Debbie - I think we just mishandled her character a little bit, hopefully rectifying that in "Breaking Point".

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One things for sure though, you guys were amazingly resilient.  Not only did you take on a fair bit of criticism and stuck with the show, but you have turned it into a rather decent series and brought it to what feels like a natural conclusion.  You could have quickly written an ending for season three and called it quits but you stuck to your guns and told an amazing story.  Thank-you.

Thank you, that really does mean a lot. I mean, I've been with the guys since the start of S3 so I can't speak for the years before - but I think that we've definitely improved as we've gone along, with S4 and S5 both being very consistent.

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Re: Season Five Discussion
« Reply #313 on: May 07, 2011, 04:00:39 AM »
Much thanks to Luke and Suhelen for checking out the end of one of Virtual Mutant's flagship shows! Sad to see the show went out with a bit of a whisper, so hopefully more will turn out for Ragnarok... ;)


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Re: Season Five Discussion
« Reply #314 on: June 20, 2011, 03:43:36 AM »
This show is rather amazing!! Give me time please and I'll give a rather decent review regarding the series, but I'm interested in seeing the series and re reading it and all that jazz. Be sure to look forward to a good review from me. :)

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Re: Season Five Discussion
« Reply #315 on: July 01, 2011, 08:06:31 PM »
Hey, take all the time you need - we'd rather you spend time enjoying each episode than rushing 'em just to see how everything turns out. :)

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« Reply #316 on: September 13, 2011, 12:34:18 AM »
Just want to point out that the links to the episodes no longer work. You might want to fix that. ;)

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« Reply #317 on: September 13, 2011, 12:01:18 PM »
Should be fine now

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« Reply #318 on: September 14, 2011, 01:58:56 AM »
Capsule Review time!

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It's been a long time since I read Slayer Academy, and a long time since the series finally finished. So I have quite a bit of catching up to do. Anyway...

It took a bit to remember who was who and what the story-line of S4 entailed again. But I quickly picked up on it all. With the aftermath of the Slayers becoming a world-wide phenomenon, their enemies are getting a little more cautious. Or are they?

Let's look at Skye. I've always liked Skye. She never took any crap from no-one. If Skye and Twist could meet up in a cross-dimensional crossover then the two would either beat the (un)living crap out of one another, or bond like no tomorrow.

In this episode, Skye is doing what she does best. But her best always seems to get her into trouble, although it's nothing she can't handle, right?

Sofia being groomed to be the final Slayer... yes that much is clear (I'm not too sure if this was mentioned last season. I think it was, otherwise...)

Is it just me or is Dade the resident slut at the Academy? Frankie having a go at him in the library (not like that!) is priceless. She's become more protective of her books more than anything. To think, the same girl we saw in S1 to evolve into this character is a nice development.

Although the Slayer population has been decimated and the numbers no doubt will continue to fall, is the Academy really prepared for the coming storm?

With Hamish and Jilhandra wanting the location of Victory (I still HATE that name) it is becoming more apparent.

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Re: Season Five Discussion
« Reply #319 on: November 02, 2011, 03:43:04 AM »
Ignorance Is Bliss

Have to admit. This episode took a while to read. I didn't particularly find it that interesting. Though I knew the girls needed to get to Tori before Hamish is a moot point. The turnaround to seeing Tori lose her mental blocks and still not want to KILL the slayers is an eye-opener. You get the feeling that all those deaths she's been responsible for have finally caught up with her.

Skye on the otherhand cannot forgive her, just yet. But given her history... she should be the one to show the most compassion.

Lonelyslayer15

I heard about this episode for months and wondered how it would pan out. The need for the girls to video their missions is their way of telling the world what they are going through on a daily basis. Sure, they have superhuman strength, but they are far from invulnerable. Even the stronger slayers in Skye and Tori can prove they have their limits.

The interesting aspect to the equation was that Lonelyslayer15 wasn't just one person, but three people. It didn't take much to realise that Fiona was one of them, but the others - Mallory and Patti? Probably wouldn't have guessed it.

The final scenes were sad in their own way. Even though Slayers live and die, and in this series a lot of Slayers have died - particularly gruesome deaths too, but it was no less impact achieved. Fiona wanted to show the world that the Slayers at their core are still human. She didn't want the slayers hero worshiped. The Slayers have a job to do and it's damn near killing them. They put ourselves in danger so the rest of humanity can sleep well at night.

From Fitzgerald's perspective, you can understand how she's dead against any coverage of the Slayers. But that is a small reminder that no matter how much you try to hid something this big... it has a way of surfacing. No matter what.