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SiB S1 Discussion
« on: Wed Mar 11 2009, 18:33 »
A place to discuss the first season of Somewhere InBetween!

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Re: SiB S1 Discussion
« Reply #1 on: Wed Apr 1 2009, 06:41 »
My review of the first season of a flagship MZP show:

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« Reply #2 on: Thu Apr 2 2009, 02:28 »
Just started reading this series and for a person that doesn't really like supernatural shows, I really like this and I'm usually a hard person to please. I'll get a full review when I'm done reading the season.

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« Reply #3 on: Tue May 26 2009, 12:52 »
You are ahead of me Tegan  :laugh:

I've been meaning to read this for ages. I'll get around to it in the end!

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Re: SiB S1 Discussion
« Reply #4 on: Sat May 30 2009, 17:35 »
It's funny how, being the huge fan of vampire mythology that I am, and seeing how this show started right around the time I stumbled into the VS world, I never really dove into the waters of Somewhere InBetween as much as I'd like to. I'm trying to rectify this (better late than never, I suppose), so here I am.

I enjoyed 'Introductions' to an extent. Chris's past was interesting and provided a good read. Even if at times he came off a little like Angel, I guess that comes more from the fact they're both a one of a kind creature, not fully demon, not exactly human, seeking for redemption. However, Twist's story for some reason seemed a bit off. It's personal preference, obviously, but Chrimes' version of hell simply didn't work for me. The demons were being too witty and so was Twist, to be sincere, something that required me to suspend any sense of realism for a moment when she sees a man being killed in front of her, is about to be attacked and starts throwing funny quips. If anything, a lot of Twist's scenes serve to show how much Chrimes has evolved as a writer since '04. Don't get me wrong, though, this is by no means a badly written script, but I've seen far superior scripts penned by Chrimes.

Another thing - this episode doesn't really feel so much as a series starter, but a prologue in a novel. It really feels like an introduction in every sense of the word. I hear that episode two provides a much better premiere than the pilot, but once again: this is not a bad episode.

I'll report back once I've read 1x02.

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Re: SiB S1 Discussion
« Reply #5 on: Sat May 30 2009, 17:48 »
Well given that there are two other people (at least) intending to read this in the coming weeks/months/years (delete as you see fit) I've decided to get in on SiB too.

So if anyone decides they want to have a chat about parts of the show be sure to make some posts and I'll be up for some discussion :)

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Re: SiB S1 Discussion
« Reply #6 on: Sat May 30 2009, 17:54 »
I'll wait up for you guys - I'm at 1x06. Might be fun for the group of us to read together and chat. :) I like the Chris/Twist dynamic of the moment, personally, but I might like to see a bit more of a cast form.

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Re: SiB S1 Discussion
« Reply #7 on: Sat May 30 2009, 17:59 »
I've noticed something. Harry's Family Spell and his new pitch (the name escapes me) share something in common here: the first episode seems less a pilot, more an episode set before the pilot being shown in chronological order.

I think the first episode needs to have it's second to run next to it.

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Re: SiB S1 Discussion
« Reply #8 on: Sat May 30 2009, 18:03 »
Yay! I read pretty much all of Matt's reviews on the old XP (one reason I took so long to read SiB; had to forget the spoilers!), and have been quite sad they've been missing from the 'net since italkintype premiered.

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Re: SiB S1 Discussion
« Reply #9 on: Sat May 30 2009, 20:42 »
I read 1x02. I've got one major beef - Malkuth. If he's gonna be the season's Big Bad, then I really hope he stops being a caricature of a villain. Seriously, his last lines in the episode were reminiscent of those from a Scooby Doo villain. I was actually expecting him to go "I'd have made it if it weren't for those nosy brats!". Like I said and will keep saying, I know Lee's writing, and it's unfair to compare his earlier work to what came before, but I dislike Malkuth for all the wrong reasons. He doesn't come off as menacing. At all. Which is a big problem considering we need to think he's got a chance of taking Chris and Twist down. Also, I'm not sure what was the relevance of Naomi, but I'm guessing she'll be used in future episodes. Am I the only one who didn't like Malkuth?

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Re: SiB S1 Discussion
« Reply #10 on: Sun May 31 2009, 01:00 »
So some thoughts on episode one.

Now unsurprisingly the first thought about Chris is how much will he turn out to be like Angel. With the guy being a Vampire who saves a girl from his kind and then the mention of something to do with his soul it's a thought that can't be helped. I think it's safe to say that Chris won't be like Angel, even by just the few situations we've seen him in already.

It's an interesting choice to show us Hell. I think it's one of those things where some people will happily accept what direction you take Hell in while others don't really want to be told what they should imagine. As long as it fits with the story and is kept to usual idea of Hell that most people have I think it doesn't really matter too much.

I agree with what others have said, this does feel a lot like it's setting up the story for us before getting into things in the second episode. It seems the second episode will be the one to show what the season is going to be like. But it is nice to get the story set up nicely and from here onwards we can work on the important points of what the future holds.
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Re: SiB S1 Discussion
« Reply #11 on: Sun May 31 2009, 11:35 »
Malkuth gets better. Don't forget I was writing this five years ago - I've got much better since then ^_^

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Re: SiB S1 Discussion
« Reply #12 on: Sun May 31 2009, 13:33 »
Oh, I know. Don't worry, I know you're capable of much better writing. :)

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Re: SiB S1 Discussion
« Reply #13 on: Sun May 31 2009, 13:49 »
1x02

I really liked the teaser of this episode. We get a fun fight screen that results in some destruction and we get a look at Chris and Twist's budding friendship.

The intro of "Smoker" makes him sound a lot like a Bond villain or something. Smoking in the shadows, all he needs is a cat to stroke. I'd agree a bit with Vin in that something did seem a bit off about Malkuth on first impression but as long as he evolves a bit (as I'm sure he will) then I don't see too much of a problem.

There are some obvious avenues that we'll be going down in future episodes and tension that may come to exist between Chris and Twist if they don't reveal certain secrets. They both have long and interesting pasts that could pop up at some point down the road.

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Re: SiB S1 Discussion
« Reply #14 on: Sun May 31 2009, 17:05 »
I think Malkuth did start off with intentions of being a dry, tongue-in-cheek villain on the surface capable of horrific acts of terror when pushed to it - kind of a less hysterical version of Dark Knight's Joker, I can say now - but we tipped him a bit too much into comedy during the first half of the season, so it's the back 9 where he starts getting more interesting.

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Re: SiB S1 Discussion
« Reply #15 on: Mon Jun 1 2009, 19:56 »
1x03

This episode has a nice idea. I like that there is an auction going on that has a bunch of stuff that has a whole different layer, not just old relics but dangerous artifacts.

I'm actually surprised Twist didn't have many choice words for Travers after he was so nice to her in the beginning.

The ending was a nice surprise and makes total sense given what we know about Twist. I hadn't really thought about how people from "downstairs" would react so it's cool that it is coming about right off the bat.

1x04

Glad to see that the two are out actively trying to find out what is going on rather than waiting for something to fall into their laps.

So Lambert maybe has some personal reasons for being the  one going after Twist. Whatever teh case not going back to hell is a pretty good reason to do everything possible to come out on top.

I'm liking some of these magic skills Chris has. The pull through the wall is especially good.

A nice touching moment to round out the episode!

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Re: SiB S1 Discussion
« Reply #16 on: Mon Jun 1 2009, 23:19 »
Season One (and a lot of Season Two) is pretty nomadic - I always wanted the show to be about this team travelling the country, always being proactive in seeking stuff out. Chris is still hunting for the cure to vampirism, so he's not going to find that sitting in one place!

What tends to happen towards the end of each season is that events begin to draw the characters towards a certain location - in S1 it's New York, in S2 it's Boston. S3 and S4 spend longer in the same place (S4 has two main locations that are used as 'bases' throughout), so I think S5 is going to recover some of that wandering feel.

Supernatural does much the same thing - which only goes to prove how awesome I am because I did it first ^_^

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Re: SiB S1 Discussion
« Reply #17 on: Tue Jun 2 2009, 01:59 »
1x03

The reveal at the end was pretty cool. I actually hadn't even thought about the fact someone could've been after Twist once she escaped hell, so that's some good continuity over there. I agree with Trix on Twist not inflicting an unbelievable amount of pain on Travers seeing as he tried to fool her and have her killed, I was a little surprised.

Overall, a much better episode than the previous two. The show is already showing signs of improvement, slowly approaching the Lee A. Chrimes level of quality we're all used to. ^_^

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Re: SiB S1 Discussion
« Reply #18 on: Tue Jun 2 2009, 19:49 »
Well! 1x01 was actually written much later than episodes 1x02-1x19, those were all originally written back in mid-2004 when the show was still a Jossverse series, before I rebooted it as SiB. 'Introductions' started out as a two-parter that had Chris and Sunday (as she was known then) turning up in Sunnydale, going down into the Hellmouth and encountering Malkuth there before moving on, picking up with 'The Art Of Keeping Secrets' and continuing from there.

Thus, we needed two new openers, and the new 'Introductions' and 'Part-Time Nemesis' came along as I worked through the rest of the season, tweaking things to make it an original show and erase all Jossverse ties.

After the first two, 1x20 is actually the first episode written brand new for the show - 1x03-1x19 are all rewrites of the original series. Trivia ^_^

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Re: SiB S1 Discussion
« Reply #19 on: Tue Jun 2 2009, 21:04 »
Sunday, you mean, not 'Summer' ^_^

The gist of it was that Chris was actually Spike's estranged brother, but aside from the Scoobies and Spike showing up in the original two-part 'Introductions' (which was set just after Buffy Season Six or so), there were no plans for a crossover after that. See, I loved the vampire Sunday from Buffy 4x01 'The Freshman,' and so used her and the character of Chris I'd cooked up to be my leads.

Back then, I was less confident about striking out with my own series, but as we neared the end of S1 (and this is before MZP took off, really), we realised there'd been so little Jossverse influence as to render it almost invisible, meaning we could easily create our own mythology without having to change too much.

Out of interest, even though Katharine Towne was always a shoe-in (given she'd played the Sunday character Twist was inspired by), other candidates for the part of Twist/Sunday included Emilie de Ravin and Samaire Armstrong...

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« Reply #20 on: Thu Jun 4 2009, 22:48 »
I'm really enjoying Twist's quips at the moment. Her and Chris have settled into an unlikely duo quickly and things flow well between them.

1x05

Cary Grant, mention always gets a smile and a thup from me.

Things weren't going that great for Spice but Malkuth turning up really is going to throw a spanner in the works.

That was a sweet ending between Chris and Twist. Even when things get really tough they have each other now. Not only that but now they've found vampires who might just be willing to help out. Fighting for something they believe in and battling to keep a tradition alive.

Interesting that Malkuth manages to turn up right when he can do most damage and then disappears into the night at a click of the fingers but he does manage to anger Chris more.

Shame the police friend didn't really have much of a place in this episode. Things could easily have worked pretty much the exact same without his involvement.

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Re: SiB S1 Discussion
« Reply #21 on: Fri Jun 5 2009, 07:29 »
You'll notice there are a lot of guest stars in the first season, old friends of Chris' who are a catalyst for the duo's involvement in events. I wanted to get across the idea that Chris had been trekking round the world for the last 30-odd years, meeting allies and helping people out, even if he starts S1 still in quite a single-minded frame of mind with regards finding the Cure.

Matt Latham also observed how I tend to kill them off a lot ^_^

And the rebel vampire thing is a very important plot for the show - it carries right through all five seasons and is one of our biggest differences from Buffy. In the Jossverse, all vampires are evil, full stop. Some can try to be less evil (i.e. lovesick Spike, S6), but at the end of the day they're still soulless creatures without a conscience (or 'soul').

SiB vampires are much more varied - they can be good or bad when Turned, dependent on both the Turnee's personality and that of the Turner, as the emotions, skills, memories and influences of the vampire doing the Turning pass on to the new vampire. Twist bites Chris in 1x01, and that transfers quite a lot of who he is into her, you see - the same way Sanctus did with Chris back when he was first Turned.

Good people can go bad when made into vampires, and vice versa. It gives me much more flexibility in terms of character development with my vampire characters - of which there are many.

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Re: SiB S1 Discussion
« Reply #22 on: Sat Jun 6 2009, 02:07 »
I've just read 1x05; however, I can't really find much to say other than it was good and thoroughly enjoyable - if not quite as good as 1x03. I'm starting to warm up to Twist (who, honestly, was coming off as annoying and too childish at the beginning) and I quite like her interaction with Chris, as they've obviously already developed a good friendship. I will admit that I wasn't too keen on Lambert's speech explaining his beef with Twist (I felt that backstory was unnecessary, to be honest), seeing as I'm sure he knew the spell he cast would start to wear off eventually, but other than that, no other major complaints.

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« Reply #23 on: Sun Jun 7 2009, 14:57 »
1x06

Things started off pretty slow this episode. Again we have Malkuth appearing out of nowhere but this time he's after something too.

We get developments for all characters this episode which is always good especially when you reach that point in a season where everyone has settled in and you need things to start moving so there isn't a lull.

Malkuth has a reason for appearing but also we find out some info about how he has been traveling.

Chris reveals his search for a cure isn't just for his own selfish needs. That will be interesting when it is expanded on.

Twist gets the most dramatic with an unknown manifestation of power. Did all the energy from the nightclub patrons kick-start something in Twist? How will Chris react when he finds out about it? It's one of those things that Twist probably doesn't want to share given she has no clue herself but she'll have to be careful it doesn't get any worse!

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Re: SiB S1 Discussion
« Reply #24 on: Sun Jun 7 2009, 16:03 »
the Twist thing kind of comes to a point in 1x21 - it's another hangover from the Buffy spin-off days that I wrote out of the show, but I took my time doing so to make sure it didn't feel too rushed. But it has plenty of interesting places to go before then ^_^

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« Reply #25 on: Sun Jun 7 2009, 23:29 »
1x05

So! Very exciting ep. I like it that you're playing with the vampire mythology, trying to veer it away from the Whedonverse by having vampires who simply choose to be good and to not go around killing people. I'm surprised Chris didn't know about that, but I'm glad he and Twist do now. One question, though - if Twist and Chris are off human blood, then I suppose they're feeding off animal blood? I know Chris mentioned in a previous episode that although he's not as dependant on it as a full vampire, he still needs it from time to time in order to survive.

I assume Malkuth wanting the Rebels dead was due to the fact he sees them as traitors?

All in all, thoroughly enjoyable.

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Re: SiB S1 Discussion
« Reply #26 on: Mon Jun 8 2009, 18:07 »
Malkuth needs the rebels out of the way because of a variety of reasons, though the full picture will come out in Season Five. there's plenty of hints during S1 to all that, though.

As for the blood thing, I kind of made a point of not showing my vamp characters drinking blood all that often. It's something that's assumed and implied but not shown very much - I felt  like I didn't really need to show it, you know?

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« Reply #27 on: Thu Jun 18 2009, 18:59 »
The rebel vampire concept is a big thing throughout the seasons - episodes 9 and 10 expand on it further. Just as well, given as its the main arc for the final season!

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« Reply #28 on: Mon Jun 22 2009, 08:22 »
As I've said, Malkuth did get a bit too comic, but by the last stretch of the season his Evil Plan is suitably dramatic so he earns some Villain Points back for that. Eventually.

Danyael is a great character - and easily the one who changes the most over the four seasons so far from the easy-going, reserved cool dude yous ee in 1x09. The Twist/Danyael relationship (known as 'Twook' to the shippers because she nicknames him 'Spook') is also another fab dynamic about the show - they're very alike in a lot of ways, work well as team-mates but she still plays him up something rotten every chance she gets.

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« Reply #29 on: Sat Jun 27 2009, 08:11 »
Hi guys

Please point your browsers towards:
http://somewhere-inbetween.mzp-tv.co.uk/s1/episodes/1x01.pdf

Lee's questions:
What makes this different from other vampire shows?
SiB started life as a Buffy spin-off - is this still noticeable?
What do you think about the character of Chris/Twist?
How about the tone and style of the show?
How well does this work as a pilot episode?

General questions:
What did you know about the show before reading?
Did you have fun reading the episode?
If the episode wasn't what you usually read (because you don't like the genre etc), was this episode a pleasant surprise?
Would you continue reading the rest of the series based on this episode?
Did the episode give you a clear understanding of what the show was about?
Do you have a good indication of what the tone of the show is and do you think it fits the concept?
Were the main characters clearly established? Do you think they stand out as fully development individuals?
What, for you, were the main strengths and "selling points" of this episode?
Were you able to picture everything clearly and just lose yourself in the characters and plot?
Did you have any favourite quotes/scenes/characters?
Did the episode do something completely unexpected/different? Did it manage to reimagine a tired concept into something fresh?

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« Reply #30 on: Sun Jun 28 2009, 15:26 »
So how much did I know about the show before I read it?
Well, I knew it when it was still Chris & Sunday, and I think Lee credited me as one of the the evil hags that ripped it apart in order for it to rise from the ashes as Somewhere in between. Of course, I should probably point out that it was Editor Roon and not Reader Roon. Editor Roon is my evil twin and I don't know what she gets up to.

I'll also mention that the only reason I don't read it now is because, like I've said in other shows, I seem to be suffering from vampire and slayer overload (yes, hysterical considering what I write). Blame Twilight, Moonlight and every other vampire story in the last decade for the first, and Buffy Season 7 for the second.

What makes this different from other vampire shows?
Before Moonlight and Twilight, I think SIB was the first show to have vampire hybrids that were able to walk around in sunlight. I definitely think it is the only show to classify vampires by their blood, and use it to further explain their characteristic traits too. Also, Chris a mage of sorts too, making him ultra-unique as an entity. Another thing that isn't often done, is to show the "hero" kill two humans in the first episode - first a scumbag, and the other a nurse in flashback. So well done for being quite daring, especially in the early days of VS. Yes guys, SIB is one of the oldies!
 
SiB started life as a Buffy spin-off - is this still noticeable?
I think it's managed to distance itself quite well, epecially in terms of character, style and mythology. There will always be comparisons though if you use vampires - it's a given and there's nothing wrong with it. On rereading this though, my first visual impressions were of the visual style and movements of V is for Vengeance. In fact, I had Hugo Weaving's voice in my head for the narration too. Sorry Lee, from now on, he's Chris to me. I told you my head did its own thing :p

What do you think about the character of Chris/Twist?
Well, Just-turned-into-a-vampire Chris was a bit of a wet fish, but the future Chris is a lot better in terms of who he is and what he's capable of. Twist is just cool. Period. A peppy vampire who is quite the contrast to the quiet Brit we've seen earlier. Plus, she didn't have the benefit of Sanctus's righteousnous when she tried to save her mom and sister, and she must have known she'd have no hope against them all. Not a pleasant way to die, but there she is, surviving hell and still making wisecracks.

How about the tone and style of the show?
Despite Twist's peppy narration, the show appears dark, treading where other writers wouldn't dare in the first episode. Heck, it took the writers of Angel years to show him kill an innocent while he had a soul. Of course, Twist appearing in hell added a very surreal side to it.

How well does this work as a pilot episode?
I think it works well as an episode, but perhaps not a pilot. Maybe episode 2 or later, when we know who these characters are and care for them enough to have the origin questions answered. When we first hear Twist, there's no base of context for her. We also delve into Chris's early life without knowing more about him in the now. I also find it a tad difficult to grow attached to characters if they narrate instead of letting me know them myself. I think I said it all the way back in Daredevil's review that I prefer sparse voice-overs in general, but I know that it is a completely personal preference.

Thanks for the read Lee. It was quite the memory trip - and considering what a holey sponge I have in my head... :p

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Re: SiB S1 Discussion
« Reply #31 on: Sun Jun 28 2009, 23:00 »
'Introductions' was a new episode written specifically for the show's rebirth as Somewhere InBetween, as was 1x02 'Part-Time Nemesis,' and while it makes some classic New Pilot mistakes (i.e. reliance on flashbacks), the sparkling banter between Chris and Twist had already been honed over the other 19 episodes I'd written when it was still Chris & Sunday. that definitely helped - I knew plenty about how these two worked going into the pilot, something that very rarely happens in any kind of writing.

As a story in its own right and an introduction to the characters I think it works, as a pilot that's indicative of the show week by week less so. 1x02 does a better job of that, really. If I had my time again I'd open the season with 1x02 and spread the flashback/exposition stuff from 1x01 across the first two-thirds of the season - but that's just the voice of experience talking. In terms of actual content, I think this is entertaining enough to get away with it!

Also, the conscious efforts I took to distance this from the Jossverse led me to cook up all kinds of new spins on vampire science. SiB vamps don't dust when they get staked, you don't see them drinking blood that often, and crucially the concept that vampires can be good or bad depending on who they were beforehand and who turns them is a core idea of the show that's relevant right the way through to the finale. It opened up the morals of the show, gave me the Trads vs. Rebels conflict and meant my vampires were a very different animal to what we'd all become used to.

now all I need to do is find time to get to work on the final season...

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Re: SiB S1 Discussion
« Reply #32 on: Wed Jul 1 2009, 01:12 »
Just wanted to let you know that I'm still slowly catching up with this show. I've currently finished reading 1x07 and hopefully I'll finish all of S1 by the end of July. So far, like any first season of any show, this has been a bumpy road with moments of pure awesomeness and some other moments were things could've been better. There's a particular line of dialogue said by Chris in 1x07 that immediately comes to mind as an example of the latter, as it was too expositionary. Nevertheless, I'm sticking with this show at least until 2x01. I enjoy reading SiB, after all, and that's really all that matters.

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Re: SiB S1 Discussion
« Reply #33 on: Wed Jul 1 2009, 18:25 »
you'll notice a big change in writing style again in the last three episodes - 1x03 to 1x19 were all written a year before the series restarted as SiB, whereas 1x01, 1x02 and 1x20-1x22 were written a year later.

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« Reply #34 on: Wed Jul 1 2009, 18:43 »
Hmm odd.. I did reply but it didn't seem to register. Try again!

I just read 1x01 and found it to be really funny (I liked especially the little bit when Twist was sucked into the portal in the hell bar and the demons were like 'who was that'?)

NICE way of doing hell. I liked the meet 'n' greet demons, very bitchy hehe.

Dialogue was good - little too much V.O for my taste, but by no means uninspired or boring.

Onto 1x02!

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